Bad Experience with AshaDiamonds.com....

#21
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Well it's DBs business so if they want to only ship to the billing address as listed for the card to avoid possible fraud, that's their right. Buyers can just buy elsewhere if they don't like their policy.

The main problem seems to be that the buyer was not notified via email that the transaction was cancelled. It seems only reasonable that if your payment or transaction is cancelled for whatever reason, you be given a courtesy email and told why. And told when your money will be refunded if in fact your card or PP was charged. So the customer can then follow up with their bank or Paypal to make sure the money was refunded.
 
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Shiny-things said:
crystalzi said:
I have a feeling this is more of a Paypal issue than AD. They are VERY strict about allowing things to be shipped without a verified address. Their reasoning is because people can easily file Paypal complaints, and the consumers a lot of the time get screwed. Paypal is actually a very shady company. Check out paypalsucks.com.
She did not use Paypal, she used her credit card.

I agree about Paypal though.
oops. I don't know how I misread that lol. I still find it strange that you did not get an email, since I had something similar happen to me and I got an email immediately!
 
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crystalzi said:
oops. I don't know how I misread that lol. I still find it strange that you did not get an email, since I had something similar happen to me and I got an email immediately!
I don't understand how her card just didn't get declined automatically when she placed the order? If I pay for something and enter a non-matching address, it usually comes up as payment declined, then I have to fix the address.

Or am I misunderstanding what happened?
 
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SaraAnna1104 said:
crystalzi said:
oops. I don't know how I misread that lol. I still find it strange that you did not get an email, since I had something similar happen to me and I got an email immediately!
I don't understand how her card just didn't get declined automatically when she placed the order? If I pay for something and enter a non-matching address, it usually comes up as payment declined, then I have to fix the address.

Or am I misunderstanding what happened?
That is what I am not getting lol. It is not the site, but the credit card that will deny a charge when the addresses are not the same. Moissco sent me an automatic email when my card was declined the first time due to the addresses not matching up. Was the address you put on your order the same as the address that your card has on file? I wish Moissco/AD had a phone number to call when things like this happen. It would really help their customers and improve relations. They really are a great company, but even great companies make mistakes from time to time.
 
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Funny how the tables could be turned and when your CC has been stolen and used online you might be happy that some companies have these safe guards in place.
 
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The problem is that payment DID go through fine! It was after my purchase that they decided to cancel my order b/c they thought that I was a fraud b/c my billing and shipping addresses were different. So, right now my account is out $275 until the refund goes through. VERY frustrating! I can't even afford to rebuy until that happens.
 

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#27
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Well, as a counterweight to this, we just got scammed out of $1600 on a platinum semi-mount today b/c we did ship to an address other than the customers billing address....
Appears they were using a stolen card and ordering as much platinum in the ring as they could to melt it down for fast cash leaving BTD with the bill once the legit card holder realized their card had been compromised....so it works both ways unfortunately and its the scammers that make life hard for honest customers and vendors.

Best regards
Less
 
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lessw said:
Well, as a counterweight to this, we just got scammed out of $1600 on a platinum semi-mount today b/c we did ship to an address other than the customers billing address....
Appears they were using a stolen card and ordering as much platinum in the ring as they could to melt it down for fast cash leaving BTD with the bill once the legit card holder realized their card had been compromised....so it works both ways unfortunately and its the scammers that make life hard for honest customers and vendors.

Best regards
Less
Just curious, but if you're sending it somewhere other than the billing address, is the billing address required to be entered, or just where it is being shipped to?
Sorry about the bit of bad luck :-(
 
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#29
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I have been out of town for a week so I hadn't had a chance to respond to any threads. I think there are several misunderstandings here of how online businesses are run and how credit cards work.

The original order was canceled because it was suspected as being unauthorized. When it comes to transactions which are not made face to face, the burden is put 100% on the shoulders of the business to make sure its legitimate. If we ship a product to a customer that was purchased using a stolen credit card, we have no recourse.

In this case, the billing address that was provided was incorrect, was listed in Tennessee, the delivery address was in Texas (and in a different person's name), the telephone number had a South Carolina prefix, and the IP address of the person who placed the order came out of Florida. Given the mismatch of information (and the incorrect billing info to begin with), it automatically throws a major red flag. Whenever we have such orders, we have a 3rd party payment verification service, precharge.com, which will analyze them and cover them, an insurance of sorts. They immediately declined to cover the transaction. Therefore it was canceled and the charge was voided. 99% of online companies would have done the same because it has so many of the tell tale signs of an authorized purchase.

This happened on the morning of 3/14. The customer contacted us the very same morning. Not to mention that Mondays are by far the very busiest day of the week for us, mostly because we have 3 days of work to do (Saturday, Sunday and Monday). Therefore she simply contacted us before we could contact her to explain the situation.

We are not saying she can't order with our company, but in order to do so, at a minimum we require the correct billing information, and we may even require that the billing address be updated to match the shipping address (this is not unique to our company).

I wish there were more online vendors on this forum because I guarantee any one of them would have felt equally uneasy about processing the order.

As far as the refund is concerned, here is how credit cards work. When your credit card is initially charged, the money is not placed in the vendor's account immediately. It is only authorized. The following evening, usually midnight EST, the transaction settles, and that is when the charge officially is made on the customer's credit card, and then funds are moved to the merchant's bank. Therefore if your card is charged and then charge is voided the same day, before it settles, no refund is due. That doesn't mean your bank won't freeze the funds for several days as a 'pending' transaction. Unfortunately the merchant has no means to make the bank release the funds. The customer can request that the bank do it, or they can just wait a few days, and it will happen on its own.

This is what happened in this case. The charge was voided before it settled, and therefore no refund was necessary because the funds were never removed from her account. Paypal may have froze the funds temporarily, but this is out of our control, and she would need to contact Paypal for assistance in getting the funds released.
 
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